Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Hello.
[00:00:00] Speaker B: Welcome back to another episode of the consciously thriving podcast.
[00:00:04] Speaker A: Hello. We just literally got into such an intense debate. Conversation. Not even a debate. We were agreeing with each other.
[00:00:13] Speaker B: We were agreeing with each other.
[00:00:14] Speaker A: That was not a debate. We got into a conversation about pronunciation.
[00:00:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:00:19] Speaker A: And I was laughing about. Cause with our jobs, we connect with people all over the world. And there have been some times where I've pronounced people's names, and then they've told me off for how I've pronounced it, pronounced the name. But I've realized, like, upon reflection, I'm like, oh, it's my australian accent.
[00:00:36] Speaker B: It's your accent.
[00:00:36] Speaker A: It's my accent. That's actually, like, fucking. Yeah.
[00:00:39] Speaker B: Like, when it's actually hard to pronounce.
[00:00:40] Speaker A: Yeah. I'm like, no, that's just like, the way that I say it. Yeah, I'm like, I'm not actually butchering the name. And then Nadia tells me that she, like, we're talking about the difference between, like, the two names, Alan and Alan. I don't know.
[00:00:54] Speaker B: One. An e, one with an a. Yeah.
[00:00:55] Speaker A: And apparently there's, like, if your name's Alan, which one?
[00:00:59] Speaker B: Yeah, which one with an Allen with an e or Alan with an a? Like, maybe you've come across this. Please explain to me the difference, because I cannot. Like. Because it is. There is a difference. Like, one is pronounced with it, one is spelt with an e, and one's pronounced spelt with an a. Yeah. So it's like, there is a difference, but I cannot.
[00:01:16] Speaker A: Yeah, like, so we were. But I don't.
[00:01:18] Speaker B: The only reason, like, there may not be a difference. Like, someone called Alan might be like, there's no difference, but I've been told off for the way I pronounce Allen.
[00:01:25] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:01:26] Speaker B: So it's like, it's not. That person's name wasn't Ellen. It wasn't Ellen. It was. I don't know.
[00:01:33] Speaker A: They were just saying.
[00:01:34] Speaker B: Right. But they would say it back to me. And I'm like, I don't understand how I'm saying it wrong.
[00:01:38] Speaker A: No, we just looked it up on YouTube as well. The pronunciation between, like, Alan with an A and Alan with an E. Ellen with an. I don't even know how to say it. Ellen Allen. Whatever.
And we were looking it up and there was, like, no difference.
[00:01:52] Speaker B: Yeah. Don't know what this person was on about, but if you are named Alan, I can't. And, you know, please let me know, because I actually. Because there could be, like, a difference that I'm just not. My accent just can't pick up. Yeah, it's really.
[00:02:05] Speaker A: It's so funny. But, like, this happened in Australia for you, so.
[00:02:09] Speaker B: Yeah, australian.
[00:02:10] Speaker A: Yeah. That's weird, dude. I can't hear the difference. But I don't know, maybe we need to be educated. I actually. I can't hear it.
[00:02:17] Speaker B: Well, it's hard because we have all, like, names all over the world that are pronounced differently, so.
[00:02:21] Speaker A: Differently. Yeah. I've just never cared about that. I feel like. Cause I have such a unique name. I've been so used to it, like, throughout my life. Yeah. People call me the funniest things. And I will go along with it. Cause I think it's like. I'm just like, whatever, I don't care. Like, it doesn't offend me. So, like, people will call me the funniest names and then, like, we'll be, you know, an acquaintance, and then they'll be calling me this for a while, and they're like, what the fuck? Why didn't you tell me? And I'm just like. I just genuinely don't care. Like, I just respond to everything. Shul was a big one. Yeah.
[00:02:50] Speaker B: But maybe I would say something really. Not in a rude way, but just so they know my name. Do you know what I mean?
[00:02:56] Speaker A: I don't care.
[00:02:57] Speaker B: No, I don't care. But just for them. So they don't go months without calling you your name. Wrong.
[00:03:02] Speaker A: Oh. I just. I feel like just myself, I swear.
[00:03:03] Speaker B: It's coming from a place of, like, who cares? Like, I'm not offended by it or whatever, but just.
[00:03:07] Speaker A: I don't want to. I guess, like, I don't want to make them feel uncomfortable.
[00:03:10] Speaker B: Cause, like, you've had experiences where people. Yeah, no, 100%. If, like, someone was calling me, like, Nadia or whatever.
[00:03:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:03:17] Speaker B: It wouldn't. I wouldn't tell them from a place of, like, how dare you?
[00:03:20] Speaker A: Or whatever.
[00:03:20] Speaker B: Just so that they don't go, like, six, seven.
[00:03:22] Speaker A: But I'm like, how do you do that? In a way that doesn't sound like.
[00:03:25] Speaker B: Saying, hey, this is actually how you pronounce my name.
[00:03:27] Speaker A: Oh, my God. It's so awkward. I can't do it.
[00:03:29] Speaker B: No, I get it. I know, but, like, if it was a friend of mine, I'm not gonna make them go six to twelve months.
[00:03:33] Speaker A: These aren't like, actual friends, like, clients. Or, like, do you know? Oh, then that's okay.
[00:03:38] Speaker B: Or maybe a client, if they were like, a long term.
[00:03:40] Speaker A: Yeah, I haven't even done it with clients. I've actually been with some clients that I've not even corrected them. And they're like, what the fuck? And they've been in. Like, we've been in a masterclass, and then somebody's like, you've pronounced my name right or something.
[00:03:50] Speaker B: It depends how intimate we got.
[00:03:51] Speaker A: Like, yeah, yeah.
[00:03:53] Speaker B: If it's an acquaintance or someone that I like, who cares?
[00:03:56] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:03:56] Speaker B: Honestly, who cares about that?
[00:03:57] Speaker A: Because I did a lot of podcast interviews as well, like, with people, so it's like we were just interacting for.
[00:04:01] Speaker B: That's okay.
[00:04:02] Speaker A: I feel like.
[00:04:02] Speaker B: Yeah, that's fair enough that you didn't. I feel like. It feels like a close friend of mine that we were getting closer, just different.
[00:04:10] Speaker A: Just for them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, in my head, I'm like, they're gonna figure it out anyway. Like, do you know what I mean? Like, they'll hear it in the end.
[00:04:16] Speaker B: That's true.
[00:04:17] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, I'm like, they're gonna find out how to say my name throughout it. But I don't know. It's just like, it's not even that I do it consciously. It's just that, like, even Jerry, when somebody. Jerry. Sorry, but I don't. Jerry. When somebody is even telling me that they, like, when they're even pronouncing my name wrong, like, nothing even goes off in my brain of, like, oh, my name's. You just experienced it so my whole life.
[00:04:40] Speaker B: Just so we know. What is. What is your name?
[00:04:42] Speaker A: The actual pronunciation is Shuler.
[00:04:45] Speaker B: Shuler. Shuler.
[00:04:46] Speaker A: Yeah, but I say Shule. Yeah. So in Australia, I didn't even say Chile.
[00:04:49] Speaker B: I say Shillay.
[00:04:50] Speaker A: You say Shulze.
[00:04:51] Speaker B: Shulz. Yeah. Well, that's your nickname, but, like, Shulay.
[00:04:54] Speaker A: Yeah. Chile. Yeah. I've gotten everything.
[00:04:57] Speaker B: I have everything under the sun. Mine's, you know, Melissa and Taylor.
[00:04:59] Speaker A: Yeah, Melissa calls me. They used to call me. They both used to call me this, but Melissa still does it, which I love. She calls me. Melissa and Taylor are family friends of mine, by the way.
They call me shau lava.
Yeah. Fucking weird ass names. I used to get called Julie.
[00:05:17] Speaker B: I don't get that.
[00:05:18] Speaker A: Tell me, tell me.
[00:05:20] Speaker B: S h u l e. It was.
[00:05:21] Speaker A: Like old italian people.
[00:05:23] Speaker B: They would maybe silent.
[00:05:25] Speaker A: They would just be like, Julie. And I'm just like, all right, yeah, if you want me to be, I'll be Julie.
I just. Yeah. I don't know. Never, like, cared about it, but, yeah, the actual pronunciation is chalet. No, Chile in Oz. Like, that's what it's become being in Australia, it's just turned into Chile. And that's what I say. But actually, like, the. With my ethnicity, with being Turkish. It's pronounced Shule.
[00:05:48] Speaker B: What's the funniest is that your name is so ethnic and then your sister is Olivia. Yeah, that makes me laugh. It's just so funny.
[00:05:57] Speaker A: I know, because one dad's like, oh, yeah, her dad.
[00:05:59] Speaker B: That's why. Because you.
[00:06:00] Speaker A: Your dad is turkish. My dad was turkish.
[00:06:03] Speaker B: That's why they did that.
[00:06:04] Speaker A: Yeah. So, like.
[00:06:05] Speaker B: So do you think your Ollie's middle.
[00:06:06] Speaker A: Name is Ella, though? Ella, yeah.
[00:06:09] Speaker B: But do you think your mom. Sorry, this is getting invaded. Do you think your mom, Olivia's name was influenced by, like, didn't your stepdad or whatever at the time.
[00:06:17] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:06:18] Speaker B: Want her to have. Didn't want a turkish name?
[00:06:21] Speaker A: I don't know what they did, actually. I don't think he would have cared. Yeah, he was pretty, like, chill like that.
[00:06:26] Speaker B: So I'm like, yeah, I don't think.
[00:06:27] Speaker A: He would have cared. Like, if my mum had wanted her actual name to be Ella, I think she didn't do it because they had so much trouble with me, because they had so much trouble with, like, my name growing up, like, my. My mum did. So I don't think that. I think she actually wanted Olivia.
[00:06:42] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:06:43] Speaker A: Something like, they call it ya banjo. Which is.
[00:06:46] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:06:46] Speaker A: I don't even know how to explain it, but, yeah, like, yeah, we both.
[00:06:48] Speaker B: Don'T have, like, super common names, Nadia. It's not super common. I feel like it's easy to pronounce and, like, it's not. Like. Yeah, it's easy to pronounce. I see it sometimes, but it's not.
[00:06:58] Speaker A: Like I feel like I've seen Nadia my whole life.
[00:07:00] Speaker B: Really?
[00:07:00] Speaker A: Yeah. But I grew up in, like, a ethnic Middle east. Yeah, it's an. It's a Middle east.
[00:07:05] Speaker B: Everyone always miss me.
[00:07:06] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:07] Speaker B: And I'm like, I'm not.
[00:07:08] Speaker A: Yeah, really not. She's really Spanish and Italian. She's, like, not Arabic at all. No, but I grew up in, like, the arabic communities and things like that.
[00:07:15] Speaker B: Yeah, you did. Yeah, but that's, like. It's interesting. What a topic.
[00:07:18] Speaker A: What a topic. Anyway, we always do this at the start of the episode before we get into it. Yeah. It's so funny.
[00:07:24] Speaker B: We're so, like, spiritual and, like, this whole podcast is so focused on personal development, spirituality. But, like, I love infusing out, like, who we actually are in our personal conversations.
[00:07:34] Speaker A: Like, if I can get into some of the shit we dive into, I would get canceled with some of the things that we learned. No, would we? It's just curiosity.
[00:07:43] Speaker B: Yeah. I think, like, when you're in the realms of, like, personal, I feel like a lot of people that want to, like, grow and self develop, like, you. You just have a natural tendency to question things.
[00:07:51] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure.
[00:07:52] Speaker B: Part of your personality.
[00:07:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:07:54] Speaker A: That's like how I've always been. I'm just like, I just don't like knowing things on a superficial level.
[00:07:57] Speaker B: Like, everything is both of us. It's intense, deep. Yeah.
[00:08:02] Speaker A: We're so annoying.
[00:08:03] Speaker B: Yeah, we are.
[00:08:03] Speaker A: We are so annoying.
[00:08:04] Speaker B: But anyway, so today we wanted to actually dive into the topic of surrender.
[00:08:10] Speaker A: Yeah. And we really, like, before you click away, no one's gonna click away. This isn't going to be a.
The conversation you expect around surrender when it comes to manifesting, because a lot of people in the manifestation community communicate. Like, they talk about surrender. They teach on surrender through the energy of attachment. And we've really been practicing surrender through that lens for a while, until recently, right. Where we really, like, I just feel like we've gone on such a journey with this whole, like, letting go of attachments and expectations and in every area, every area of our lives, like, literally every area, but it has led to true happiness, true freedom, true fulfillment, and this, like, how would you describe it? Like, the way that I would describe this relationship with the universe. It's truly, truly, truly. And I want you to, like, feel the words that I'm saying here because this, like, I've been calling it, like, getting my life back because I've been practicing, you know, creation and freedom and manifesting my own reality. But it was coming from such a controlled, I think I know best energy. And I wasn't actually trusting in the way, like, things were presenting in my reality. And I wasn't open to all of the abundance that I actually had available because I was so fixated on creating in a certain way it needs to come through my business and it needs to look like this. If things didn't pan out like that, then I was in, like, ego deaths and really fucking struggling and being like, something's wrong. Like, I was just missing life.
[00:09:45] Speaker B: And when you're in your business, like, from this place, right, just thinking about this, like, you're just constantly, like, every time something doesn't go your way, you're constantly analyzing, like, what went wrong in my energy, why did I? And it's just exhausting.
[00:09:57] Speaker A: It's exhausting.
[00:09:58] Speaker B: So I feel like that's, like, really beautiful how you said that. And for me, I feel like this surrender has been like, exactly what you've said. It's like this level of getting your life back, realizing to the depths that you're not actually surrendering and that you do have attachments. But for me, it's also been this deep realization that, like, every single thing that, like, every feeling, every emotion that I'm trying to experience from an object I have access to now.
[00:10:27] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:10:28] Speaker B: And, like, that's been. And, like, it's like, I've understood that, but not really understood that because it's like, why was I still looking at my reality?
[00:10:35] Speaker A: That's the thing. Like, we were saying those things, right? We were saying those things. I was. I remember, like, I know I've looked back at, like, content I've created and things like that. I'm like, I was saying the words and I was embodying to an extent. Yeah, but there was still such a big part of me that was like, but no, this has to happen.
[00:10:53] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, that's exactly right. Or just thinking that, like, that feeling is going to come from more money. That feeling is going to come from. I client see, you couldn't actually see that, like, those things. It makes sense now.
[00:11:04] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:11:04] Speaker B: Going through it, but, like, you could what you went, we weren't fully embodying and understanding the concept of things. Your reality being a byproduct of your internal state.
[00:11:14] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:11:14] Speaker B: So that was like a big one.
[00:11:16] Speaker A: It's been the biggest thing. I've been calling it my spiritual awakening 2.0 because it's literally rocked our entire worlds. But because, like, I would, like we were having success with the other way, that we were, like, transforming our lives. It's like we were creating things. Manifesting was like, you know, it was. We were doing things, you know what I mean? And it was just like, to realize, like, I don't know, it got to this point where I felt like I'm like, and when does it end? Yeah, right? I was like, because it's like, this girl and then this girl and then this girl, and if it doesn't look right now, I'm like, I've got to keep going. I got to keep going. I got to keep going. I got to keep building. And then I'm just like, I got to this point where I'm like, holy fucking shit. Like, when am I ever happy? When is it ever enough?
[00:11:56] Speaker B: Well, you're chasing it through the external, so it makes sense that, like, only those that when you. It's like, you get the thing. So it's like, if you are wounded, if you are feeling lack with money. And you use getting more money to fill that void. When you get it, it either gets really amplified. You might feel good for a while, but then there's so long until you go back into a state of lack. Because that's your dominant vibration.
[00:12:17] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:12:17] Speaker B: So it's like this constant rat race and constant chase to have these feelings of abundance, joy, happiness, when you don't actually realize that your external reality has nothing to do with that. It's all an internal focus. And then from that place, that's when you don't have ego deaths, when you manifest and you don't have these big fuck off moments, because it's like you already feel those. You feel that as your dominant frequency, you really do.
[00:12:43] Speaker A: And it's like such a fucking freeing place to get back to, to live your life from. It's like. It's like the truth of what my soul has been seeking this entire time. And I feel like I'm actually, like, in life and I'm receiving from each moment. Like, I'm like, just so much. I'm just like, literally, my heart is full so much of the time because I'm just like. I. I'm not attached to expectations. I don't think I need to be somewhere else. I'm not, like, I'm not judging my situation. I'm just like, I'm just here and I'm present and I'm receiving. And then naturally, what do we know about manifestation? When you're vibrating on that plane, of course you become a match to more experiences like that, that match that frequency, but it's like you don't need those experiences. So as we're having this conversation, something that came to my mind is like, because this can be so subconscious when you're so attached. Like. Like we were right, because it's like you don't realize that you're doing it. You don't realize that the attachments there. So I was thinking it could be good for us to actually highlight maybe some of the traits that we've noticed in clients and ourselves when you are operating from the attached frequency so that somebody could listen to this and be like, fuck, is that me?
[00:13:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:13:55] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:56] Speaker B: Oh, God. Where do we start?
[00:13:57] Speaker A: I. I know.
[00:13:57] Speaker B: So I feel like let's talk about, like, my business for a second. I feel like the business, my business has been a good catalyst, and I feel like it's okay. So for me, when I realized this was happening. So if you've got a business and you can relate to this, whether it's online or something like that, you're always going to be aware that you have customers, and customers are a part of that equation for a business to work. But for me, like, my whole energy, like, I. My whole energy was so outcome. It was, look, my soul in a soul way, it wasn't, but my, my subconscious behaviors and patterns were so fixated on an outcome because of all the, the meanings and the reasons for why I needed it were there. So for me, it was like this big awakening where I realized with my business, like, I would put up a post and I'd get. And if I didn't get the validation, I'd go into a spiral. Or if I ran a program and I didn't get the outcome I wanted, I would go into, like, I would have emotions come up like, that need come up of like, yeah. So for me, it was like this big wake up call of like, I'm operating in my business from this place of trying to get something to, to fill something within me. And from that place, like, I wasn't in the pure love for the creation process. So for me, it was like, I. My whole conditioning was based on getting the outcome, getting the clients needing all that, which is not the sole reason anyone should be doing a business. It should be the love. And, like, the clients come as a byproduct, the, the money comes as a byproduct. But for me, it was like I was constantly in this up and down energy with my business, and. Because you needed it, because I needed it. And, like, whether that was from a financial perspective, to, to pay a bill, whether that was because I wanted to see myself as more worthy or successful, because I was like, I'm going all in with this and I need to make this work because this is what I said I'm doing. Or there was just like, so many, like, conditions and, like, my conditioning led, was leading me to this, like, needy frequency. So it was like, any time things weren't looking like how my ego wanted them to look, I would go into a panic, or I would go even sometimes not a panic, but I would be like, let down. It's like, sometimes it's so subtle, right? It's not an, it's like, it was like this energy of like, okay, if things didn't go my way, I've done something wrong. Something's wrong with this current moment. I need to fix it. Yeah, right.
[00:16:30] Speaker A: Because it's like, it was constant. It was like, you're good when it's there. It's like, when it's there, you feel like, you feel satisfied. You feel in your power. You feel like.
[00:16:39] Speaker B: Like I could only get my dick up for the business when I knew I, like, clients were there and things, and not because I want, not even because of the money, because a lot of it was. My worth was tied to the results. So it was like, it was everything. It was a lot of things. But mostly I felt like I'm not going to be good enough if I don't show people the results that I have, the what I have. So it's like, I need, I put my worth to my results. So, of course, naturally, when you need the results to feel a certain way or to feel worthy when you're not getting them, you're going into a spiral because you're in need. And I wasn't enjoying the creative process. I wasn't enjoying, like, like, you were just so low. I was so low.
[00:17:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:17:18] Speaker B: And it was like that, that really, like, was like the catalyst to realizing, like, there is no way I'm gonna be able to run this business if I'm needing anything from it, if I need it to fill some, a wound within me. So, yeah, that was, like, the biggest thing I've had to work through. I mean, my relationship as well. But, like, the, the business has been such a eye opening because that's what it is.
[00:17:42] Speaker A: Right?
[00:17:42] Speaker B: Like, when you're putting your heart and soul out there. Especially, especially, and I say this in, like, the programs that I've run, when you're having a business where it's, like, your personal brand, you are your personal brand, it's, like, so personal. It can be so personal. Like, whereas where in you, when you have a product that, like, me, it's about the product, whereas when it's about you. So I feel like going in, when you have a personal brand and you think, like, things aren't going the way that your ego wants them or I. People aren't signing up, it's so easy to make it mean something about you.
[00:18:12] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:18:12] Speaker B: And, like, who you are. So it's like, there was just so many distorted pressures on the business where.
Yeah, it's like, this deep level of having to, like, cultivate that safety and that power within. Yeah.
[00:18:24] Speaker A: And we're in an industry where, like, results, outside results are such a big thing that's discussed. Like, how much money you're making, how much, like, how many clients you've got, are you booked out? Are you traveling? Like, there's so much to compare to, particularly in the manifestation space, when everything is so focused on, like, outward projections.
[00:18:41] Speaker B: So focused on outward.
[00:18:42] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:18:43] Speaker B: The outward world that it can be really easy to be like, oh, I'm not making that much money, or something's.
[00:18:48] Speaker A: Wrong with me, something's wrong with my vibration, my limiting beliefs, and blah, blah, blah, blah.
[00:18:52] Speaker B: And you'll never enjoy the process of. Because what is business is literally creation. Yeah, it literally is. It's like full on heart led creation.
[00:19:01] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:02] Speaker B: And so it can be really, really easy to get into this particular industry or just in business in general and lose yourself.
[00:19:10] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:11] Speaker B: Compare yourself. Lose yourself.
[00:19:12] Speaker A: Absolutely. It really, really can. And I feel as though, like, that's a really important thing to be aware of. The part of you that.
Oh, what's the word? The part of you that doesn't self sauce. Yeah. It's like you're sourcing from outside of you. You're good when it's there. Like, particularly when you feel really fucking good, when you've got, like, the thing in your. Or it looks like, like it's happening, or your vibration is on the path that would lead to that happening and you're feeling so good. But then as soon as that vibration drops, as soon as something isn't going away, as soon as it looks like it's been a couple of days and what you want hasn't come to fruition, it's like then you drop your energy. If you're constantly on this up and down roller coaster, you're in attachment.
[00:19:54] Speaker B: Yeah. You're so in attachment.
[00:19:55] Speaker A: Another really, like, powerful way to recognize whether or not this is you is to notice how you respond to somebody saying to you. So if I said right now to you that there is a possibility that what you're craving right now, what you're manifesting is actually not for you, and there's actually something better for you, but this is just the pathway to lead there, how does that make you feel? Right.
[00:20:20] Speaker B: I even think, like, yeah.
[00:20:23] Speaker A: Does that, like, make you want me, like, to punch me in the face even just saying?
[00:20:26] Speaker B: You might not get your manifestation because, like, sometimes people can feel surrendered when you say, like, it might lead you to something better.
[00:20:32] Speaker A: I didn't. I was so attached that I literally, I was like, no, shut the fuck up. I'm like, there's no other option for me.
[00:20:39] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:20:39] Speaker A: I was like, it's this.
[00:20:40] Speaker B: Couldn't see.
[00:20:40] Speaker A: Like, I couldn't see something better. Yeah, but, yeah, that's true.
[00:20:44] Speaker B: Like, also just, like, considering that, like.
[00:20:46] Speaker A: You might not get it.
[00:20:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:20:47] Speaker A: How do you fucking feel about that? Yeah.
[00:20:48] Speaker B: And I do believe, like, when you, like, I do believe in life always providing you to be on the path, but sometimes that doesn't necessarily look how you. Your ego wants them to.
[00:20:59] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:20:59] Speaker B: Like, for example, the other day, like, I had a situation with my car.
[00:21:02] Speaker A: Yeah, right.
[00:21:03] Speaker B: Like, just using this example.
[00:21:05] Speaker A: Sorry, keep talking. I'm just gonna get my email up because I actually had some examples on the email, but keep going.
[00:21:09] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, even, like, for example, the other day when I was in my car, I had an issue with my tire, right. And there was, like, two situations that could have happened. It could have been just like a patch fix, which was like, you know, a little bit of money.
[00:21:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:21:21] Speaker B: Or there was, like, the fact that my tire could have actually been needed to get fully replaced, which cover $100 or whatever. Right. There was, like, two extreme outcomes from a financial perspective, and it ended up getting the one that costs more. Right. So it's like even having to surrender to those. Yeah. Do you get what I'm saying? Having to surrender to this idea that, like, even when you don't get what you want or things don't always gonna look how you want, but it doesn't mean it wasn't happening for you. It doesn't mean that the outcome that happened with my car and my tire wasn't for me in some capacity, even if I had to spend more money. Because our ego is so conditioned to decide what we want best, to decide how life looks. These mean needs to look. And, like, when you're like this, it's just like you're constantly in fighting your life, constantly fighting reality.
[00:22:12] Speaker A: Yeah, I feel like that's, like, been the biggest thing as well for me to realize as well. I'm just, like. Just because something hasn't gone in the way that my ego has expected it to go, does that actually mean it didn't happen for me?
[00:22:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:23] Speaker A: Like, what the fuck?
[00:22:23] Speaker B: Like, all of it. Like, the launches that didn't work.
[00:22:26] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm like, say that that didn't happen for me. Like, who's to say that that actually sucks? Like, it's just like. No, I'm like. I'm actually receiving so much from those moments.
[00:22:35] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:22:35] Speaker A: You know what I mean? It's like, you just. You receive so, so, so much.
[00:22:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:40] Speaker A: I just wanted to get this email up because I have. I wrote out, like, all the things to be aware of when you're in this attachment energy, because I just think because it's so subconscious, you aren't aware.
I just want to make sure that, like, you walk away from this episode being like, okay, I know. Like, can I identify if this is me? And then you can, like, do the appropriate things to actually get your frequency back to a place of self sourcing, and you don't actually need anything outside of you in order to be happy, full and complete. And we're going to talk about that obviously, in detail. But some of the things I wrote was when you literally spend so much time consuming manifestation content, you're always in this energy of, I need to consume, I need to consume. What am I missing? So that's a really sneaky way. Attachment frequency comes up where you're just like, you're just like. You're searching for something, but you might not be, like, consciously doing it, but you're like, searching for the missing piece. The answer that's gonna put it all together.
[00:23:36] Speaker B: Yeah. I was actually gonna use an example that you had experienced a little bit ago.
[00:23:41] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:41] Speaker B: Where it was like you had an intuitive hit to do, like a masterclass or a program. And then there was this part where you were like, I'm not sure if it's now or later, like, is it meant to be now? But there was this part that came up and I, like, identified this within you where you're like, but I'm scared to, like, not hit my intuition. I'm scared to, like, not act on it now.
[00:24:02] Speaker A: Right. Such a good example.
[00:24:03] Speaker B: She was like, telling me, like, I'm scared to not, like, act on this intuition now. But I'm like, why? Like, if, what does it matter if you do it now or six months time?
[00:24:10] Speaker A: But.
[00:24:10] Speaker B: And then there was this part of you, like, oh, you're attached to an outcome. You think that this intuitive hit means. So you're gonna get, you're gonna get something from it.
[00:24:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:24:19] Speaker B: So then you went into, like, a needy frequency and I pointed out, I'm like, cause who cares?
[00:24:25] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:24:25] Speaker B: Like, there is no mistakes. Like, if you act on doing the program now or you do it in six months time, what does it matter?
[00:24:30] Speaker A: Right? Yeah.
[00:24:31] Speaker B: But you were scared to miss out on that opportunity because your ego was.
[00:24:34] Speaker A: Like, oh, I'm gonna get something from it.
[00:24:36] Speaker B: I'm gonna get clients. Or what if this led to something? Right. So it's like having to operate in this place of, like, following your intuition, following those intuitive hits, but not having any expectation of the outcome.
[00:24:49] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a really good example. I remember that. So, like, that's another sneaky way that the attachment frequency comes up and you.
[00:24:55] Speaker B: Didn'T even realize in the moment.
[00:24:57] Speaker A: No, I didn't realise. No, no, no. You had to, like, reflect that. I was like, what? Cause it was coming from attachment frequency. Yeah, yeah. We spoke about the periods of, like, sadness, frustration, anxiety, depression, all of that. Like, when you don't have what you want. Yeah.
[00:25:11] Speaker B: Well, if you're frustrated and constantly feeling like this moment is not enough.
[00:25:15] Speaker A: Yeah, that makes sense. You perceive yourself as a failure, not worthy or not lovable. If your desire doesn't manifest. Right, you think, something must be wrong with me because I've been trying to do everything and nothing is worth working. Right. That's like needing another moment and being like, right now I'm not enough as I am with what I have and what I've achieved.
[00:25:32] Speaker B: Well, that's the example I gave with, like, the business, like, needing the results, needing the outcomes.
[00:25:36] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:25:37] Speaker B: To feel a certain way.
[00:25:38] Speaker A: You pedestal other people who have what you want.
[00:25:40] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a big one. Like, looking at other people, being like, they know more. I trust them more because they have more of what I want or they don't. Yeah, they really don't trust. Trust me. Like, you think you want more money, you think you want more all these things, but you actually don't.
[00:25:56] Speaker A: You don't. When you go on social media and you see people doing what you desire to do or having what you desire to have, and your mood and vibration drops immediately. Right? Like, that's a subtle way that happens when you, like, go on social media and you start comparing yourself to other people. Like, that's attachment frequency.
When you have limiting beliefs, doubt, anxiety, resistance come up and you spiral out of control because you think it's fucking up your manifestation. I actually really want to talk about this because this is a big one. So while, like, when you're so attached, when you actually have a limiting belief come up, that challenges what you want to create, you end up attaching to it and you end up spiraling about it and you end up being like, why did that come up? And you shame yourself for it coming up. Because you've now associated through being in the manifestation community that this belief is going to ruin what you're creating.
[00:26:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:26:48] Speaker A: So because you have.
[00:26:51] Speaker B: That happened to me all the time.
[00:26:52] Speaker A: Yeah, that was a big one.
[00:26:53] Speaker B: Constantly being like, I'm doing something wrong. And that's when you get. That actually ties into, like, constantly consuming manifestation content. Cause it's like you think that.
[00:27:00] Speaker A: Yeah, it always fuck this up.
[00:27:01] Speaker B: Like, you think, like, oh, my God.
[00:27:03] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:27:04] Speaker B: Like a lot of the time people think that they've got a lot of limiting beliefs problems. And I'm not denying that. Like, there's no, this is such a big, yeah, then I'm not denying there's gonna be moments where it's like, you genuinely have. Cause we have so much conditioning that there will be moments where belief plays a part into it. And you do need to explore that. But I think a lot of the time and what I've seen, it's attachment. It's attachment to need.
[00:27:26] Speaker A: It's attachment. So many people think they have a limiting belief problem. And you can, like, identify this within yourself. I literally created a reel on this topic. Just look at your, like, look at yourself. You've been working on your limiting beliefs. Has anything actually changed for you internally? Like, right.
Has anything actually changed for you? And it's like, no, because you don't have a belief problem. You have an attachment problem. And this is actually something that I noticed within my clients as well. Like, they'd be talking to me and they're like, but I don't actually believe that. And I was like, because you don't believe that. Like, you don't actually believe the, the patent thought that's coming up. The problem is it's attachment. So when it comes up, you hold onto it and then you fucking dance with the ego. Yeah. I was like, yeah, I joke with Nadia, and we can't get stuck in the cell. Soaring with your ego again. Yeah, yeah.
[00:28:12] Speaker B: But if you're, like, fully here for the. Yeah, it's true.
[00:28:17] Speaker A: You get something. You were manifesting feel good for a couple of days, but then when you stop receiving, right, when it stops, like, when you stop receiving what you want, you go straight into, what have I done wrong? Like, things aren't working. What? I just got this. Or sometimes a big one, a big identifying factor. And I fucking wish I listened. And because it's like people would, babe, I wouldn't even listen to surrender content because I'd be like, fuck off. Like, I was so, like.
[00:28:41] Speaker B: And then as a result, the surrey, like, for me, I feel like, because that was my level of consciousness, the surrendered content I was, well, even just practicing within myself was very much like, it felt like a focus of just letting go of the. How.
[00:28:53] Speaker A: It wasn't fully like letting go of the.
[00:28:55] Speaker B: What was it? Just being in it. Right. Because, like, this whole manifestation is just being open.
[00:29:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:29:00] Speaker B: Just like it's just a practice of just being open to life, being open to the moment, being open to this present moment. But for me, it was like this was gonna happen. But you can just relax on, like, how that's gonna happen. And that's not full surrender.
[00:29:12] Speaker A: That's not surrender. That's actually a really good point. That's not full surrender because you're still attaching to the outcome. And then should that outcome not happen, then it's like, oh, yeah, well, you.
[00:29:21] Speaker B: Think that's, like I said, you can't, like, the thing happened in my car. Like, it's like, we have these expectations on how we think life needs to be, how we think this moment needs to be. And when it doesn't go that way, you're constantly fighting with it. And even, like, the content where it's like, just ignore your reality. I'm like, yeah, like, for me, like, the way I was consuming, like, just ignore your reality. Because, like, this moment doesn't mean what can happen in the next. But I'm like, bro, you're missing out on life.
[00:29:46] Speaker A: Yeah, you're literally missing out on life. I'm like, what a fucking way to live.
[00:29:49] Speaker B: Just ignore my. Just constantly in resistance to this moment.
[00:29:53] Speaker A: I'm like, yeah, literally crazy. We fucking did that shit. We did it. Yeah, we were doing.
[00:29:59] Speaker B: What you're getting is still coming.
[00:30:00] Speaker A: Yeah, we fucking did it. It was wild. It's wild to, like, now have this level of understanding.
[00:30:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:30:06] Speaker A: And, like, look back at, like, what I used to do. I'm like, what the fuck? Yeah, what the fuck? So. But so many people are still doing it because it's like, so that's, like, really what? Like, majority of the manifesto can I find?
[00:30:20] Speaker B: Most of the manifesting community teachers.
[00:30:21] Speaker A: That's what they do. Yeah, literally.
[00:30:24] Speaker B: Yeah, it's like, you get.
[00:30:26] Speaker A: Yeah, no, it's so. It's, like, literally what it is. But this is a big one, and I see this with a lot of people. When you actually get to the thing that you're creating, right? You get to that level of success that you were creating, and then you have something within you that's like, oh, that wasn't it. Like, that didn't give me what I wanted. Right. And then you go into, huh?
That's what you need to pay attention to, right? Question yourself. What were you looking for? What did you think that that thing was going to get you? Because then people just attached to more after that.
[00:30:56] Speaker B: Yeah, well, that's it. Like, when you get more money comes in, and then you're like, oh, like, I'm back to feeling scarcity. Or like, when's the next time I'm gonna get paid? Or when's the next client gonna come in?
[00:31:05] Speaker A: It's like, yeah, but not even that, like, some people actually get it, and then they go, oh, that didn't give me what I wanted. But then do you know what they do? They then think, oh, I must have been creating from my ego. So this wasn't actually created from alignment. I've seen so many spiritual people do this where they go, I created this from my ego. So something's wrong here because this doesn't actually feel fulfilling. So then they, like, burn everything to the ground and then recreate it again, thinking that they're creating from their intuition, but they're creating from attachment.
[00:31:33] Speaker B: Right.
[00:31:33] Speaker A: It's not that the. It's like, what you.
[00:31:35] Speaker B: It's still this focus on thinking the outside world's gonna give you something.
[00:31:38] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:31:39] Speaker B: That's all it is.
[00:31:40] Speaker A: Yeah. So in so many people are in those situations where they're creating something, they're happy in it, and they're like, oh, my God.
[00:31:46] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:31:46] Speaker A: And then something within them doesn't feel fulfilled. And then, like, oh, this wasn't actually what I wanted. It must be that I wasn't following my intuition. Let me go back and let me go back to the drawing board. They burn it down. I've done this. This has been me. I've literally done this. And I'm creating from, literally, attachment.
[00:32:02] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:32:02] Speaker A: You know what I mean? Yeah. So wild.
What else?
If you are after success and money, you often think about how the money will make everyone in your life so much happier and less stressed. Oh, my God. That's another way.
[00:32:17] Speaker B: Like, yeah. You think money is gonna make you less.
[00:32:19] Speaker A: Sure.
[00:32:19] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a pedestal.
[00:32:21] Speaker A: But I've seen. Yeah, I've seen a lot of successful people do this. When they think, when they talk about their desires, they go, okay, what do you want? They're like, I want to be able to, like, retire my family and, like, spoil them with these things and blah, blah, blah. It sounds like a beautiful thing, but where is it coming from? You think that those things are going to make the people in your life happy, right? And it's like, again, it's pedestaling this thing that comes outside of yourself. It's like disempowering people in your life thinking that they can't get those feelings without the money and things like that. Yeah. Right.
[00:32:49] Speaker B: Because then it's like.
It was like, reminds me of, can I just bring up this, or do you want to go?
[00:32:54] Speaker A: No, no, no.
[00:32:55] Speaker B: Go like Sam, who's, like, simplifying Sam? She's like a big tiktoker, really, really deep on surrender. I love her so much.
She went to Bali, and she was actually, like, met this guy in Bali. And because Bali is, like, more of a poorer country, she asked him, like, like, what's the key to happiness? Like, what's the key to happiness? And he's like, a key to happy life, right? Key to happy life. And he's like, oh, I don't understand. Like, he couldn't understand, like, an accent thing was a bit of an issue. But he's like, I just don't understand your question. And so she's like, what thing? Like, what makes you happy? And he goes, life is already, like, I'm already happy. Like, you know, what do you mean?
[00:33:33] Speaker A: What makes a happy life? So it, like, life's already good.
[00:33:36] Speaker B: Life's already good.
[00:33:37] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:33:38] Speaker B: So what do you mean by, like, what makes a happy life? It is a happy life. Like, not circumstantial of this moment, of what's, what I have, what I think. So it's like, and you think about, like, America and Australia, where, like, we're really fed this illusion. Like, this. Our capitalist brain, as, like Sam says, is very conditioned to think that more is going to make you happy. So it's like, if you're gonna want to create the life of your dreams, it's not gonna come from this place of think. It's gonna have to be an internally, yeah.
[00:34:07] Speaker A: We have the most, like, unhappy people in the world.
[00:34:11] Speaker B: It doesn't matter how much you have.
[00:34:13] Speaker A: Like, it's not gonna make evidence is right in front of us, literally, more.
[00:34:16] Speaker B: Doesn'T make you happy. It doesn't make you feel safer, doesn't make you more secure. Like, you have access to feeling that. Like, if you believe in abundance, if you believe in the life supporting you non circumstantially, like, in every moment, then why do you need more money? To feel safe. Why do you need more x, y and z? To feel a certain way.
[00:34:35] Speaker A: You actually don't need any of it. And the thing is, like, the biggest thing that happens when you attach to, like, this thing, like money, the relationship, the job, the career, whatever it is, right? The clients, the success.
When you attach, even traveling, when you attach to these things and you think that this is going to bring you your happiness, right? This is going to make you feel safe, secure? It is absolutely not. Because what's going to happen in the presence of your desires, you are just going to feel more of who you are at the core. So if you are a person who is scared that money is going to run out, more money is going to amplify your scarcity wounds. Right. Same thing with a relationship. If you need a relationship to feel lovable, being in that relationship is going to highlight all of the parts of yourself that you don't love, and it's just going to be amplified through that relationship.
[00:35:26] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:35:27] Speaker A: The thing does not bring you the thing. Right. So it's like, this often leads to people calling things into their life and then burning it down to the ground. Right. Because it's like, it's highlighting who they actually are at the core. Right. Because you. You are in this illusion of thinking that this external thing is going to bring you the things. Yeah. But it is not like, what you need to understand with this whole game, which is what you've been, like touching on through this episode, is that this is about, this whole manifestation thing is actually about you being open to life. It's actually not about creating an idea of the future that you have in your mind. Yeah. Right. So what do we actually mean by that? So how do you, like.
[00:36:06] Speaker B: So they're like, okay, so I get to this point and I have done a free riff on it if you want to, like, get it. It's called, like, breaking free from attachment. It was like a ten minute riff on this where. Because a lot of people, I feel like the golden question is, okay, but if I don't need anything.
[00:36:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:36:19] Speaker B: Well, how do I still be in the frequency of wanting something?
[00:36:21] Speaker A: Yeah. That was the thing that we struggled to understand when we were, like, really diving into this. Yeah. I was like, how do you create then? How do you participate in life if I don't need anything outside of me?
[00:36:31] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's really this energy of, like, for me, it feels like if things are going to manifest, they're definitely going to be a byproduct of. It's not about renouncing, it's not about saying that, like, okay, that means that I don't want that. I can't have more money or I can't go traveling or, like, whatever. But it is like this energy of, like, you genuinely don't need it. Like, you genuinely don't, like, you're happy in this moment. And it's this energy of, like, if it's going to manifest, it's going to feel like a preference. It's going to feel like, oh, like, cool, like I'm going on a holiday or a holiday's manifested. Or maybe you get the intuitive feeling to like, oh, I want to go visit this place. And you do, because you have the resources available to you and it feels like a preference, but not a reason for your living.
[00:37:23] Speaker A: Yeah. So the best way to think about it is, and this is something that Michael Singer says. If you haven't heard of Michael Singer, definitely check out his stuff, because it's all about surrender and living your life. Life this way. I fucking love him. So he wrote, like, the book living untethered, the untethered soul. That's the popular one. And the surrender experiment. Yeah. Really, really good. So he says this because people often ask him this question, and I just think this is, like, such a good way to explain it. He goes, when you are full with so much love in this now moment, and this isn't something I didn't like. I couldn't understand this until I practiced it.
[00:38:00] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:38:00] Speaker A: It's like when you're so full in this now moment and you're receiving, like, this is a real big presence conversation. Right. And you're really here in this moment, and you're receiving everything that this right now moment has to give to you. You're so full, you're not projecting onto the future and what the future should be. You're just here and you're just receiving and you're. You're just in the experience.
What happens is when you're so full of love and you're so full of appreciation and gratitude, you naturally want to create and give. Right? You just. You naturally want to share that energy and you want to do things. You want to participate in life. So it's not about, like, attach, like, doing things to get an outcome. It's like, right now, if you have a desire to do a business, for example. Right. You have, like, this topic that you want to share on. It's not attaching to the outcome of what you think should happen from you doing this. It's about you committing yourself and giving your all to this now moment and what this now moment is asking of you, which is like, the message that you have to share, right? Yeah. You focus on that. You focus on that love, and you just, like, you give your all to that creation process, detaching from what you actually think should happen.
[00:39:10] Speaker B: Yeah. And I think, like, being able to create in that space, like, being able to show up in your business for the love of it, because you feel excited by what someone's saying, what's coming through you. And you don't have these wounds of, like, needing it to be validated, needing it for the client, needing it, blah, blah, blah. When you don't actually have those attachments, then going up on social media to create content, going to sell your offers, right. Because, like, going to do those things don't feel there's no fucked up resistance. And you're actually happy doing it because you're, like, doing it for the love of it. And it's like, cool. These things can happen if clients come into my world. Yes. That's amazing because, like, it's. I love working with clients. I love doing those things. But fully being in a frequency of, like, just following, like, right now, doing this podcast.
[00:40:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:40:00] Speaker B: If no people listen, great. Because I'm enjoying having this conversation with you. You know what I mean? Of course. I know that people can listen and I hope this helps someone and I hope this does that, but if not, then I'm gonna be okay. And it's like, that's because you do.
[00:40:13] Speaker A: It for the love of the actual activity, right. It's like, we just love doing this. It means nothing else other than we just enjoy having these conversations and we just enjoy creating this platform. Like, that's it.
[00:40:24] Speaker B: And if you want to come into our world and if you want to be coached by us, if you want to apply these things, then great, like, amazing. Yeah, let's go. Like, let's do it. But it's like, it's just really just realizing that, like, there is nothing outside of you that is going to bring you anything. You don't need anything outside of you.
[00:40:43] Speaker A: Yeah. And that can be an uncomfortable thing to, like, have a conversation about. I feel like particularly when you're, like an entrepreneur and you're, like, creating things, you know, I mean, like, you're. You're. You have a business and things like that, but it really is just not about any of that. Yeah, it just isn't. You can think that it is, but it's like, the way that I see it is like, it's a byproduct energy. So, like, I'm like, like, of course, naturally, as I, like, give myself to this, of course, like, byproduct, like, naturally it's going to result in people who want to receive it.
[00:41:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:41:12] Speaker A: Do you know what I mean? And then it's like, if it doesn't, then I'm learning something. I'm still receiving from that situation, because what am I learning? Like, does it trigger something within me? Does it trigger, like, is it giving me an opportunity to deepen into myself? Right. Like, whatever the fuck it feels like the way that I live my life now is just like this divine dance with the universe where I'm like, I'm so open for life to show me the way. Yeah, because I don't fucking know.
[00:41:35] Speaker B: I don't actually know what I'm here to be.
[00:41:38] Speaker A: I don't actually know. I'm like, what I'm creating based on my own understanding, my life experiences, what I've been taught. I was like, I fucking know how good this could get.
[00:41:45] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:41:46] Speaker A: I don't know where I could go. I don't know if. Is this the actual, like, be all and end all for me? Do you know what I mean? Is this the path for me? I don't know.
[00:41:53] Speaker B: I do have a question that I wanted to ask you because I feel like this comes up a lot for people. They. A lot of the time when they hear, they're like, I don't need this. They go into their actual needs. Like, but I need the money. Yeah. What about, like, I need for. To survive. I need water to survive. I need all that.
[00:42:10] Speaker A: The way that I see it is that those, like, those things will always be provided.
[00:42:15] Speaker B: Yeah, I honestly do. Because I feel like there's no way you can get out of need without having this abundant understanding that life is always supporting you.
[00:42:24] Speaker A: Yeah. So I think that's the thing. Like, it's like, for. I feel like this is a big conversation that comes with money. Right. It's like, but I need money in order to pay my bills and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, yeah, obviously. And it's like.
But the way that I see it is that there are so many other pathways other than money for something to come into your experience. Yes. Right.
[00:42:47] Speaker B: Well, you just had, like, a gift voucher, like, just randomly there for your groceries. You didn't technically need.
[00:42:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:42:54] Speaker B: Anything. You know what I mean? Yes, I need some money.
[00:42:56] Speaker A: Always receiving things from. Not money.
[00:42:58] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, for example, like. And I think people get that. I feel like people understand that. But, like, you. Yeah. It's just this fundamental belief that. Of course.
And I do believe, yeah, your needs are always going to be met. And I just believe.
[00:43:13] Speaker A: I genuinely believe that. Like, I feel like I really found, like, I saw that in Bali because it is such a, like, poor country. That was something that I realized. I was, like, I was looking at these, like, a practice I was doing in Bali was really seeing people in their power despite, like, money and circumstance. Like, I was just like, can I still see people in their power just because they don't have, like, what I have at home or whatever, but understanding abundance beyond having more. Yeah. Something that I saw was like, they have so much in terms of, like, the land. The land gives them so much. Like, the land gives them, like, so much fruit. Like, it's just constantly bearing fruit because of the, like, the climate there.
[00:43:49] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:43:49] Speaker A: So I just saw that. I was just like, wow. I'm like, they're so supportive. Like, they've got so much like that as well. Do you know what I mean?
[00:43:55] Speaker B: Yeah, course.
[00:43:55] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:43:56] Speaker B: This always weighs. And. And sometimes, like, even if the money, like, and the. The best question to ask yourself this is, like, something I used to tell myself is, like, have I ever, like, even if it didn't work out, even if the money didn't show up to pay that bill. Are you okay now? Yeah, it had to. Like, were you okay? Did you, did it work itself out?
[00:44:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:44:15] Speaker B: Did you, you know?
[00:44:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:44:17] Speaker B: So, yeah, there's just this knowing that life is, like, always going to support, and it's like, like, the way I see it.
[00:44:22] Speaker A: And we don't say this. Sorry, can I just explain this? Because we don't say this from not an experience. Like, I've actually been in a situation where I've saved all of my savings, have nothing to my name, literally $0, and I wasn't booking clients, I was, like, making $0.
[00:44:36] Speaker B: I'm literally in a situation like, oh.
[00:44:37] Speaker A: It'S going to be Saturday. I'm actually explaining a situation of need. Like, this isn't like a situation of.
Yeah, we've both been in that situation. So when we say this, we say from genuine experience.
[00:44:49] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. We'll sort itself out.
[00:44:51] Speaker A: It will sort itself out. It always does.
[00:44:53] Speaker B: Yeah. That comes in.
[00:44:55] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:44:56] Speaker B: Someone. Something will fucking happen. Even if it's the. Somehow the bill doesn't need to get paid anymore.
[00:45:00] Speaker A: And that's the beautiful thing that I've learned through living my life this way. I've learned that I. I am supported. I'm like, I actually don't need to do anything. Like, when I started to embody this, I was like, oh, my God. Like, something that you said earlier today was like, you're like, I'm noticing that, like, money just comes in even before I need it.
[00:45:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:19] Speaker A: Do you know what I mean? It's just like, just like, you just. It's, like, constantly supported. It's constantly there. And when I was living my life so full in this, like, now moment, what happens is it's like, I'm like, I don't know, it's like I'm getting, like, opportunities to people's podcasts. So it's like, these things are just happening.
[00:45:36] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:36] Speaker A: Clients are just coming, like, you know what I mean? I'm like, they're just. It's just happening and I don't have to. To force it. Yeah, I'm not trying.
[00:45:43] Speaker B: And the way I like to think about it is because a lot of people, when they get to this, this thing with money, and like, I think that's the biggest issue of why people can't crack into more abundance is because of need. But like, the thing like you need to think about is, like, we treat money so differently. Like, we're so conditioned to treat money so differently. But like, the other things that, you know, you need, like, as in water, like, you don't wake up going like, am I gonna have water today? Am I, you know, those basic necessities, there is so much. Am I to gonna breathe? Like, am I gonna have oxygen today? Am I gonna. Those things you need. But you are just so conditioned to know that they're always going to be there. And money should be no different in those. Like, money is one way, right? So it's like, if it. If the path needs to be money to pay that bill or to pay for your mortgage, to pay for your rent, it will be and it will show up. But the way you like, the way, I guess it's just like looking at all the other needs and how much, you don't question that. So why would the path of money be any different?
[00:46:39] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:46:40] Speaker B: If that's the path in which it needs to get better.
[00:46:41] Speaker A: That's what we were talking about, like, not long ago. We were just like, money is a need in our society. Like. Right. It's like we. We need money to participate in things, so. Exactly right. Like, if it's become a necessity, then no shit, it's gonna be a part of the experience.
[00:46:57] Speaker B: Well, if that's gonna be the path of least resistance.
[00:46:59] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:47:00] Speaker B: I could have someone that comes and pays off my mortgage. I could win the lotto tomorrow and it pays off my mortgage.
[00:47:04] Speaker A: That's exactly right.
[00:47:05] Speaker B: There's so many ways in which something can happen.
[00:47:07] Speaker A: Or likewise, you could not be able to pay off the mortgage and it could lead to you losing the house. But that is still happening for you. Like, it's just like.
[00:47:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:47:19] Speaker A: Trusting the dance of life. Like, the way that I see it is if something, like, tragic like that were to happen, you know what I mean? Where you didn't have the money and you had to, like, lose it. Well, not tragic, but you know what I mean? Like something big like that.
[00:47:30] Speaker B: I just believe that would be happening for me.
[00:47:32] Speaker A: But it is happening. For you. Do you know what I mean? And it's like, if it's highlighting all of these parts of you that are, like. Like, you know, coming up, it's like, that's perfect because they're actually parts of you that are your shadow. Like shadows. Right. Where you give power outside of you. Maybe you have stories come up, and that's a perfect opportunity for you to see that part of you and to heal it.
[00:47:53] Speaker B: Yeah. Right.
[00:47:53] Speaker A: I. To overcome that, to grow from that. Right. Like, that's a gift from that situation. So I feel like. Like, it's, like it goes both ways. You know what I mean? It's like, can you trust exactly what's unfolding and trust the dance of life?
[00:48:05] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:48:06] Speaker A: You know what I mean?
[00:48:06] Speaker B: Yeah, 100%.
[00:48:07] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. It's like. I know it's, like, easier said than done, but, like, this has been the biggest thing, the hardest thing for me to get on board with. I feel it's, like, what happens if something bad happens? And I really saw it through the lens of. It's bad.
[00:48:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:48:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:48:23] Speaker B: And, like. But think about all these times when people lost their job in Covid. Like, how many stories did you hear? Like, thank fuck that happened. So, like, why would that be? Yeah. You know what I mean? Thank fuck that happened.
[00:48:32] Speaker A: Because I've had so much shit throughout my life where it's been, like, hard shit that I've gone through, but it's been, like, the best thing that's ever happened to me. Yeah, literally. Yeah, it's, like, the best thing, but I've been, like, in a brace position, scared still, because I'm, like, I don't want it to keep happening because there.
[00:48:46] Speaker B: Wasn'T this fundamental belief that, like, what was the next step was for you.
[00:48:50] Speaker A: Yeah, literally.
[00:48:51] Speaker B: Yeah. But have you ever really had an experience where it would have been tough to go through, but you didn't gain something from it?
[00:48:57] Speaker A: Never.
[00:48:58] Speaker B: Or that you were in a better situation?
[00:49:00] Speaker A: Never. Literally, everything that I've ever gone through, that's what was so wild to me, because it's like, I could see that I was like. But everything I've gone through has been for the, like, benefit.
[00:49:10] Speaker B: Even those moments where the money, like, didn't show up. For me, it was like, this experience of, like, being able to see that, like, oh, I'm so supported.
[00:49:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:49:19] Speaker B: And, like.
[00:49:19] Speaker A: And that you don't need it. You're actually fine.
[00:49:21] Speaker B: And that's, like, healed so much of my anxiety. Like, how can you, like. Like, there's so much to gain from what that experience gave me. So it's like.
[00:49:28] Speaker A: I feel like for so long I was saying that, but I. Did you genuinely actually feel it? Yeah, I feel like I pick and.
[00:49:34] Speaker B: Chose what I wanted to believe. Yeah, I fully felt it with, like, that moment where I was at my, like, the end, where it was like I ran out of money and, like, that I was. I saw it. It still came up because it's my conditioning, but it was, like, certain things I was, like, willing to hear it for. And I'm like, oh, yeah, that experience really gave me a lot, but, like, something bad happened in something else.
[00:49:53] Speaker A: It was like, yeah, literally. Literally. I feel like it's just. It's like when things aren't going your way, really taking a moment to be like, fuck, is this happening for me? Or is this, like. Like, how is this happening for me? Not like sometimes you don't know how.
[00:50:10] Speaker B: It'S happening for you.
[00:50:11] Speaker A: No, like, because, like, yesterday, like, I.
[00:50:13] Speaker B: Told you the other day, that happened with my car.
[00:50:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:50:15] Speaker B: And it's like, well, I don't know. I could have died, like, you know.
[00:50:18] Speaker A: Yeah, I could have died, like, driving things like that.
[00:50:22] Speaker B: Yeah, 100%. So it was.
It was. Yeah, that's exactly right.
[00:50:29] Speaker A: Yeah. I just. I feel like this is just such a fucking important conversation to have in regards to, like, getting your life back and with, like, the manifesting process.
And it does differ from, like, what we used to teach and how we used to be.
[00:50:43] Speaker B: But I think it's like, this steps, I feel like, you know.
[00:50:48] Speaker A: Well, I feel like that made sense from where we were at the time.
[00:50:50] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:50:51] Speaker A: You know what I mean?
[00:50:51] Speaker B: There's, like, a moment where sometimes people need to go through this place of, like, you know, when they're in the shithole. Like, when we started feeling like we had all these limiting beliefs and things.
[00:50:59] Speaker A: Like that, I just didn't think things were possible.
[00:51:00] Speaker B: Possible. So being in this state of, like, I can create my reality is, like, perfect. And then sometimes, like, you go to that step further of, like, surrender, which is what we're talking about now, like, creating through, like, life creating with you and, you know, so it's like, I think they're perfect.
[00:51:17] Speaker A: Yeah. How it is, I feel like it's.
[00:51:18] Speaker B: Just a deepening of surrender.
[00:51:20] Speaker A: It is something else I want to add on in regards to, like, life creating through you, you. The way that I see it is that the universe and I've, like, done readings on people. I've connected with spirit guides, higher selves, all of the things, and it all came back to one thing. And this was like, the one thing that I always said. Even when I did readings, I was like, it's. They're all just projections of, like, how I'm understanding it. I was like, the spirit guides the higher self, the. All of it. I was like. But it all comes down to one source, right? The universe. You, you, right. You are the universe. You are your higher self. Right. It's just like, it's all you.
[00:51:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:51:54] Speaker A: So the way I see it is like, why wouldn't I try my intuition, which is me, this high, of, like, my higher self, the universe, which is me, to give me the experiences that I know that I need to have in order to grow in this life. Like what?
[00:52:06] Speaker B: Exactly, right.
[00:52:07] Speaker A: Like, what makes me think that I need to control what that looks like?
[00:52:10] Speaker B: Yeah. It's actually crazy because it's like, then, you know, then you don't really believe that. Like, what's for you won't pass.
[00:52:15] Speaker A: You exactly don't believe it. No, you don't.
[00:52:17] Speaker B: If you're in this state of, like, trying to create.
[00:52:19] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:52:20] Speaker B: Fully don't. That's why you can't fully let go.
[00:52:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:52:22] Speaker B: That's why people can't let go, because they just, they feel when they let go, like, fully let go, that it's not going to happen. Yes, there's attachment to that, but also, like, taking it a step further that, like, if it's for you, it will be for you.
[00:52:35] Speaker A: It will happen. It will happen. It's like, it. That's what you say, right? What will be for you won't pass you by.
[00:52:40] Speaker B: It fucking won't, though. Like, it actually won't.
[00:52:43] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:52:44] Speaker B: I truly believe that.
[00:52:45] Speaker A: So do I. So do I. I, like, 1000% believe it with my whole soul and, like, my whole being, because the way that I see it is that there are infinite pathways that are available. And when I've been trusting this voice in the past, like, throughout my life, I'm like, the way that things have unfolded have gone beyond what I can even imagine. Do you know what I mean? Like, my path to certain things, like my path to creating this business and to leaving the job and things like that, I couldn't have orchestrated that. I wasn't even trying. I wasn't trying to make any of it happen.
[00:53:15] Speaker B: None of us have tried, you know?
[00:53:16] Speaker A: No. Like, but when I got into the business, that's when I started to try and it was different. Right. But when I was at that point, I had nothing to lose. I was in a job. I didn't like, so I was just like, fuck it. Whatever. Like, I'm, like, gonna do whatever the fuck I want. I was creating YouTube videos. I was just like, I didn't know where I was going or what I was doing. And then it led. Yeah, and then it led to this, and I was like, fuck, I really enjoy this. Like, do you know what I mean?
[00:53:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:53:38] Speaker A: So then it was, like, within six months of doing that, just following this voice, it, like, got me to this outcome that I thought would take me years to get to, do, you know what I mean? So I'm just like, it's just the voice, your intuition, it just knows what it's doing.
[00:53:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:53:52] Speaker A: And another, like, really, like, I feel like this is, like, the last thing that I want to touch on unless, like, you have anything else you want to add. Another really, like, powerful way to really understand these principles and embody these principles is understanding death. And I feel like this is something that Michael Singer gave me, and it's, like, something I really contemplate every single day. Like, I honestly do this every day because of how much it has transformed my way of thinking and transformed, like, my level of attachment, and it has helped me be in this moment and fully love being in this moment.
[00:54:28] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:54:28] Speaker A: So this is why I want to talk about it.
If, like, you're just like, what the fuck? Like, you know, like, this is, like, challenging you. I want you to contemplate the concept of death for a second.
Death is so inevitable. I want you to really hear me when I say that because I feel like so many people, like, avoid the topic of death. They think it's far away, and it's like, it's not. It's actually not.
[00:54:49] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:54:50] Speaker A: People have died filming a podcast. People have died, like, just taking a breath, you know what I mean? Like, people have died doing everything, sipping a tea. Like, people have just died.
[00:54:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:54:59] Speaker A: You know what I mean? Like, within the blink of an eye, you could literally die.
[00:55:02] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:55:02] Speaker A: This could be your last moment on earth. And, like, it's.
[00:55:06] Speaker B: You're in a future moment.
[00:55:08] Speaker A: What makes you think to, like, yeah, like, project onto the future and be like, well, the next moment, the next moment, the next moment. And it's just like, dude, like, there is no other. There is no other moment other than this moment.
[00:55:19] Speaker B: There's never actually an illusion.
[00:55:21] Speaker A: It's an illusion.
[00:55:22] Speaker B: It's such an illusion. How creepy is it? But the future is genuinely none of it exists. So you're spending all your time thinking about six months time, twelve months time. What's life gonna look like, in total getting to a better place. And it's like, wow, you could just be in this moment and get those feelings now.
[00:55:40] Speaker A: Or you could literally die.
[00:55:42] Speaker B: You could die.
[00:55:42] Speaker A: You could die. And then you never make it to that moment. And then you go, like, you go to God at the end and you're like, fuck, like, send me back. I didn't experience those things. And then God's gonna be like, to you, this is from somewhere. I don't know where it is, but somebody remind me where this is from. But then God goes back to you, and it's like, but I gave you all.
[00:55:59] Speaker B: I gave you all this time.
[00:55:59] Speaker A: I gave you all this time to be in those emotions, to experience those things. Didn't choose it. So it's just a really, like, humbling way of fucking thinking where you're just like, oh, okay, I get it. I hear you. Like, I don't know, like, actually do that. Like, think about the inevitability of death and get off your high horse of thinking death is far away because it's not.
[00:56:20] Speaker B: Like, really isn't.
[00:56:21] Speaker A: Like, shit happens fast. Like, time goes by like that. And also, you can die right fucking now. People do all the time. There are so many people dying right now. Now, like, it's just like, what are you doing with this moment? Think about that. Contemplate that.
[00:56:34] Speaker B: No, this is literally like Kim Kardashian in the ocean with her diamond earring. People are out there dying.
[00:56:40] Speaker A: It is the scene. It's the scene. Everyone in the manifestation space, we're all doing that right now. Like, we're just like, people could be.
[00:56:46] Speaker B: What is it?
[00:56:46] Speaker A: Like Courtney says people are dying. Kim.
[00:56:50] Speaker B: It's like, it's literally that. Yeah, come on.
[00:56:54] Speaker A: Literally. And, yeah, it's just. Just about, like, I feel like the biggest thing is just, like, it's like. Not that you don't get to experience things like that. It's like, if they're a part of your path, great. Amazing. Like, you know, it's like you being open to possibility. You understand that that is a possibility because you have been in the manifestation space. It's like, you know, anything is possible. And, like, give yourself to whatever is presenting in your reality right now, no matter what it looks like. Learn from it. Give your entire self to it. Deepen into, like, your personal power from it. If it's challenging, you receive from this moment because it is giving you so, so, so much. And when you actually live your life from this surrendered state of being, but you don't need anything outside of you in order to make you happy, whole and complete. Like, genuinely, genuinely, genuinely, you've got your life back. You've got your life back. And that's when you actually start fucking living. That's when you're genuinely, like, living life and you're receiving from life and you're going to see, first of all, just how supported you are by doing things like that. And then also how you genuinely don't actually need anything outside of you. And you never, like, you're not. You're no longer going to be living from this, like, sad place of, like, I need to get there and I'm not there and why am I there and I should be there and blah, blah, blah. It's like none of that. It's like I'm so fucking so happy, so whole and complete here.
And that's what we all want. Honestly, that's what we want. We want that literally love it. And you get to actually live your life like that. This isn't just like a fun conversation of, like, nice, you know, this is a nice thing to contemplate. Like, this should be something that you practice every single day.
[00:58:31] Speaker B: So you're looking for, like, every anything else. It's not out there, I promise you.
[00:58:36] Speaker A: No, it's like a complete waste of your time. I'm like, if there's anything that you fucking do, it's that you take this seriously. Because like I said, it's like getting your life back. Yeah.
[00:58:45] Speaker B: Anyway, yeah.
[00:58:46] Speaker A: Anyway, on that morbid note, remember, you can die tomorrow.
[00:58:51] Speaker B: Remember, you can die tomorrow.
[00:58:53] Speaker A: I need to eat. I'm hungry.
[00:58:54] Speaker B: Yeah. But thank you so much for tuning into this episode. We hope you loved it.
[00:58:59] Speaker A: Yes.
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[00:59:16] Speaker A: Yeah, your takeaway is all of the things. We're obsessed with conversations like this. So know that that's all open and welcome. So, yeah, thanks so much for hanging out with us. See ya. Bye.
